And so to get into things, to get straight into it, can you give us, uh, some insights into your background and where you grew up?

Um, so born and raised in Perth.

[laughs] I haven't really moved too far from, from where I grew up.

Um, I, like, I always had a big family, so always lots of siblings, lots of cousins, always...

And my, um, all, like, my nan and my aunties are all, like, creative, so I, I kinda grew up-

Interesting

... to the tropes and stuff?" And then again, even though I was like, "Okay, maybe I'll think something tropey or whatever," I don't write fast.

So what's popular now, the book's coming out in a year, is probably not gonna be pop.