How do we know that we've moved out of that first phase of ending?

It's a tough one because I don't think it's as clear as we would like it to be, right? We would like it to be sort of linear.

We would like the, you know, the end, the middle and the beginning to be clear.

But I think unfortunately it's much cloudier than that.

And that's actually the, I think the trick of it all or the opportunity of it all is to use that middle space as the place to practice the dealing with uncertainty, navigating ambiguity, spending time in exploration to see what emerges.

So, you know, it's interesting.

I did a series of interviews with about two dozen people last year about transitions and asked them, actually, how do you know that something has ended? And often I'll take you back to what I said at the beginning is there's a change, which is kind of the external thing.

What are the things you look for as a coach on helping people navigate this middle? You said earlier that when people try to rush through it is maybe the biggest mistake you see.