[laughs]

... to go through that this morning.

But, like, just little things of, like, where you feel vulnerable.

There's little bits I notice now where, like, the homophobia stuff I was saying, that's coming back a little bit where you kinda start to feel like, "Am I okay to say that I'm gay here?" Or is th- or, or someone's coming, a, a plumber has to come to the house, and you're like, "Is he gonna, does he mind that we're gay?" Like, is he gonna reali- like, you just, and you, why, a couple of years ago, that thought wouldn't have been in my head at all.

Sorry, you've never seen it?

I've never...

I've seen clips of it and bits, and I knew roughly about it.

Uh, but I was like, "If I'm auditioning," I was like, "Just try..." I tried to be like a proper, what would an actor, actor do? And I think they, they would stick to the text, and the, the play text is what they would work.

And we're just okay.

But do you not find, I don't know whether the, all the, all the talk everyone told us all to think about our mental health all the time, and now I'm like, "Am I, am I mad?" The other day, I, I was so upset [laughs] here the other day, I was like, "Don't know if I've got the show together.

Don't know if I've got the show together." And then I texted like, this guy I met who I hadn't seen for, like, 10 years, the la- and I bumped into him in the street, and he was like, "I'm a therapist now." And I was like, "No way," 'cause, like, I knew him from, like, party girl time.

Yeah.

And, and, and I read a book lately about the relationship between Paul McCartney and John Lennon, their friendship, and I thought it was one of the most moving descriptions of a creative partnership and a male friendship, and the kind of heartbreak of men just not really being able to tell each other how they feel, and miscommunication, and how that-

Your

favourite Auntie Mary here.

How are you? Listen, is your mammy there? Good boy.

The back room.

The back room, I said.

Hi, Elizabeth.

Listen, it's only me.

So didn't you say that men and women react differently towards your...

And

I was like, we're not here to promo the gym.

We're here to be in the gym.

We had a big row about it.

And she was like, if it's a class where we film, we will put a picture.

And there's supposed to be some little picture.

A camera or something.

A wig, yeah, sorry, yeah.

Yeah.

It was operate there from 1977 to, like, uh, quite recently, last couple of years.

And so it was out of this Georgian house that was, like, a former tenement, and we would go in, and it was not like going to a drama class.

It wasn't like going, like, okay, elocution, all those kind of things, and, like, script work.

It was like we were very much treated as, "You're here because you're, we're, we're performance makers.

We're here to make art.

You're here to participate." And we had this, they, they were very forward-thinking in terms of all, like, young people were on the board.

[laughs]

Shane, have you had letter correspondence with people?

Not for a long time.

Do you know, I did find my grandmother's, who I never even met, there was a box of letters of her half of the correspondence that she received from, this is like in the 60s and 70s, she was writing to a man in San Francisco.

No way.

And he, now San Francisco, famous for many things, and he was, this is a good Catholic lady in Dublin, Ireland, in the 60s and he was writing about him and his friend and the trip that they'd taken to this place and the other place.

And I was like, little did she know, she'd have a gay grandson reading these gay letters 50 years later.

No, we didn't have...

I wonder, is it different from Barbara's letters?

Shane, have you had letter correspondence with people?

Not for a long time.

You know, I did find my grandmother's who I never even met.

There was a box of letters of her half of the correspondence that she received from she this is like in the 60s and 70s.

She was writing to a man in San Francisco.

And he was San Francisco famous for many things.

And he was this is a good Catholic lady in Dublin, Ireland.

So when you do meet them, are you kind of going through stuff you know already about them?

call

me and then you'd like it for the bus.

So we start to use them as like code or two call me means this and three call me means this kind of thing.

But I don't know what we talked about.

But I don't know do young people do that anymore, speak for a long time.

I wish we did still speak on the phone more.

I'm actually sick of texting.

So when you do meet them, are you kind of going through stuff you know already about them?

We actually

never stayed in Palermo in the end.

People go on about it forever and you're like, okay.

So I engaged with Italy.

I loved it.

We were there for three weeks and my brother got married and then we all had separate holidays and I liked it.

Your brother got married? In Italy.

just got to play the footage in

You've dropped Raymond, and you are-

are-Free, but it's earlier than normal from my understanding of your life from the one other time I've met you- [laughs] ... and we've gone through a yesterday.

Yeah, and I'm feeling good.

I'm feeling good in the car.

I listened to the, an Irish music band called Madra Sualzec, which means dirty dog.

Mm.

And they're kind of the next cool band to arrive on the, uh, the new Irish wave, the Gaelic revival that's happening.

She relies on the other person to end the call

So you'd wait for ages trying to find a documentary and you don't find anything.

Honestly, about half an hour I spent flicking through the various things.

There's so many things.

It's so hard, isn't it? We just got the HBO Max and I think I'm going to just keep that and I'm getting rid of everything else.

I'm just like, this has gotten ridiculous now.

Netflix is real shite.

Then I found, I decided I'll watch a film in the background.

So I don't know.