And I think actually, you know, those tendencies have been better linked, you know, between us, let's say, you know, the more kind of electoralist, bernie corbinist kind of things have this kind of thing or like thinking about like the tribune and jacobin and you know that sort of stuff people traveling back and forth to the conferences or whatever so yeah maybe something around that thinking about new york or london in the u.s and and england you know why maybe our tendencies have been sort of mediated whereas this other thing seemingly i mean i don't know i could be wrong but seemingly has more dialogue or whatever you know more and more kind of exchange

it's funny isn't it i mean you know a couple of years ago when x previously known as twitter was like this sort of dominant discursive space for the anglophone left and radicals i remember going over and chatting to comrades in italy and they were just like flabbergasted that there was this huge sort of like social democratic turn this return to the party on both sides of the Atlantic I thought about that a lot and I really don't have the answer other than that I think it's almost certainly generational I think if we're to think around the sort of 2010 student movement which obviously is on both sides of the Atlantic and you know in Canada as well But obviously that was a significant moment at home.

It really reignited basically the fortunes of the extra-parliamentary left for a brief period.

And lots of militants were recruited from the university campus from that generation.

It was a real event in the sort of Badiouian sense of the word.

And I think lots of people who are now key figures in that sort of post-Corbynite movement cut their teeth in student radicalism in 2010, and a bit like comrades in 1968 are probably still chasing that moment, right? But...

They were basically to use a poor Masonism before he went mad.

You know, I don't know if it's refusal or something, but it's like all of that orientation is gone, you know?