Yeah.

And it was just like, I wasn't thrilled about it.

No one bought it.

Of course, whatever, all this and all that.

But I was like, I just want to talk to people about the talk to people about this, about leaving.

And I started some of those calls and man, it was just like eye opening, like the there was so much fear and trepidation and like, oh, how could I ever do this? And it was like, Whoa.

Okay.

Yeah, chaos, man.

So you've dedicated... your life I guess to this now was that something that you set out as an agent with an agenda to kind of do or has that evolved and why have you become so confident about this as being your shtick if you like

no I love that and yeah gee thanks for reminding me I didn't mention what I do the name of my thing in the intro it's early here I'm only in my first coffee of the day but Yeah, again, the mission was like, you know, I grew up a third generation musician.

I played music in high school and stuff like that.

I just loved being around creative people, the musicians, the artists, all that was involved in that.

And I just wanted to see those people succeed.

And so over the years, I worked in various capacities with labels, you know, different clients across a whole bunch of different things.

But my heart was always with the creative world.

which is a lot of the other stuff that we're talking about, isn't it?