So unsuccessful clothing company, business coach, Patricia, where do we get from her and obviously having the right impact on you, showing you what to do, to you actually going to learn fuel, going to start fuel and ended up with this phone call for you sometime afterwards.

Yeah, I think I just want to revisit something you said that I thought was really great, which is this idea that when you see somebody living the life you want to live, that I would say for people coming up or trying to figure out or maybe if they're lost or maybe even going through a reinvention in life, The cheat code is to really is to find your North Star and normally that and see and find that person out there in the world or persons in the world.

You're like it pings and resonates and you have that deep down feeling like that's the life I want to lead.

I think it's a great cheat code, a great guide, a great magnet to pull you towards when there's sometimes the mind can't solve it.

You just have to solve it through your heart.

And that's the way for me that has been a valuable feeling pulled or compelled.

And that was one of those moments where Howard compelled me in a certain direction.

So how do we go from fuel all the way to where you are now? Because I want to put more color into this part.