What does that mean to practice empathy in partnership work? And what does that mean in a practical way? Or what does that look like in practice?

Oh, what does that mean? You're pulling out the philosophical questions here, Sarah.

I'm still also trying to define, yeah, what does it mean to be empathetic? Thinking from their perspective and understanding from their perspective.

So I think the biggest thing I can point to is one, asking them.

I'll point to another author or let's say motivational speaker that I like a lot, Simon Sinek.

He always emphasizes find your why.

And this is usually about yourself to find fulfillment and purpose in your work or your career.

Can you tell us more about this in what kind of context you might use it and how can it contribute towards maybe helping institutions become more purposeful and focusing potentially on quality over just quantity of stakeholders that we engage with?