Why don't you introduce us then to the, the inhabitants of our gut? Who, who or what's living there, and what are they doing all day?

Okay, so first of all, we probably won't understand that even, uh, maybe, uh, for 500 years from now.

It's such a big black box.

But what we can tell you about is based on some very interesting science.

So, um, there was a very interesting study that they took two identical mice that were genetic clones.

They looked by all outward appearances to be absolutely identical 'cause they're cloned, and what they did is very interesting.

In fact, it was the most interesting study I've ever read about, uh, and it's the most, also the most important.

Uh, this-

Yep.

And so I went back to medical sc- I went to school.

I had to actually take a bunch of college courses to be able to get into medical school just to apply.

And when I became a physician, uh, I got a scholarship through the Army.

I practiced like a typical physician.

I took care of people in emergency rooms.

That was my formal, former, uh, formal training.

Everything I said I take back." [laughs]

Yep.

And so I went back to medical sc- I went to school.

I had to actually take a bunch of college courses to be able to get into medical school just to apply.

And when I became a physician, uh, I got a scholarship through the Army.

I practiced like a typical physician.

I took care of people in emergency rooms.

That was my formal, former, uh, formal training.

Everything I said I take back." [laughs]

And maybe Sean just start, since it's been, I think, maybe three years since we had you on the show, tell us a little bit about what you've been up to.

Yeah.

Since that time, I continued to emphasize looking into people's biological states to optimize them.

I'm very attracted to not just treating disease, but trying to eradicate disease, and then trying to find an existence for humans where they are really steadily optimizing.

They're getting better.

Most of our training, I think, Phil, you would agree, from medical school and residency, was focused on going after a particular problem, just trying to make it go away, eliminate the symptoms.

We were perfectly fine if the symptoms went away.

But what do people need to understand about why that's so important?

And to score 30 points, it'll win most games.

Yeah, it was pleasing enough.

We still have a bit of tidying up to do for Bagnestown or Mount Lincolns in the final.

That'll be a tough day too.

Look, we're improving every day.

We've gone since the start of the year.

We haven't had everybody available even one day yet.

everything kind of stuck your hand passing was great the catching I thought your striking today was fantastic so you said there's a little bit more to be done but you said to me the last time as well probably coming good at the right time still a lot to be done but everything kind of worked well for you there first touch Paddy's hand worked well finishing was good Connor James Dyle what six points in play and all that scored well and the elite forwards really done well

Right

... does.

We can see those soft plaques, uh, as well.

So what we've found as, um, the, the superior form of, of, uh, intervention for opening up those arteries is a meat-based diet.

So the more people have, um, a, a diet based on the consumption of good, healthy meat, um, the more, the faster visceral fat went away, and these arteries would open up.

Now, I was shocked how fast the arteries were opened up.

I, I was of the opinion that these, you know, calcified, these, these l- you know, atherosclerotic cardiovascular...

Hmm.

And just maybe explain to people that if they've got visceral adipose tissue, if they've got this endocardial adipose tissue, what it does to your hormones, what it does to your sleep, what it does to the rest of your life, what it does to just your ability to function cognitively.

Yeah, so this is a person with very little heart fat around the heart.

You can see that left anterior descending, their widow maker, and the right corner artery, they got a little bit more of that heart fat.

But you can see this person who died from a heart attack, how much more of that fat they have around their left anterior descending and their right corner arteries.

So it gives you, your audience, an idea of what this stuff looks like.

But you're exactly right.

It's inflammatory and it has so much... downstream consequence.

And that's, I think, what you're all speaking to is how are people going to remediate and decrease visceral adipose tissue or those that are younger prevent it?

Got it.

And then muscle fat.

So I mean, you, you mentioned you had low visceral fat, but the other thing I would tease the audience watching is that you also have very good muscles.

So for your age, you have a nice muscle mass, and I, you know, I haven't played you in sports, but you know, I'm getting the, the impression that, uh, you're no slouch.

You're not just, uh, somebody who walks around with decent physique.

Your MRI shows good muscle quality, um, a very low amount of visceral fat, a low amount of hard fat, and a low amount of fat within your muscles.

And we took a look at them and, and, uh-

The big problems, yeah.

And so the, uh, it's my opinion, doctor, that, that visceral adiposity and intrahepatic, intrapancreatic fat, um, fatty heart, fatty tongue, fatty muscle, fatty kidney, these are the leading indicators that you are metabolically very unhealthy and at very, very high risk of a heart attack, a stroke, or some other endpoint.

Exactly right.

Exactly right, Dr. Berry.

These are upstream indicators of disease.

All other forms of chronic disease follow from these upstream indicators, and these upstream indicators are not taught to us in medical school.

If we think back about our own experience, the curriculum in medical school is devoid of what is really the most important thing for physicians.

And because of that, it's kept from ... patients to, to be aware of this.

Yeah.

So what is your connection, Dr. Sean, to people in the White House eating more fermented foods? Can you tell us that?

I take care of a lot of prominent people, and so there was a, uh, one of my clients I work with had a 93-year-old m- mother.

She was not talking, hadn't been out of her bed in three years.

And they got her off processed foods and carbohydrates, and they got her eating meat, seafood, and fermented foods.

Just those things.

And within three weeks, less than three weeks, she started talking, and she got up out of the bed and started using her walker.

So that was raised, got to a cabinet member, you know, who expressed interest in, in working with me and getting my, my physician care and, and helping them become more optimally healthy So it is anecdotal, but there are a number of, uh, studies that show the connection between fermented living probiotic foods that haven't been pasteurized, that have this, these living species of bacteria and yeast and fungi, and a whole host of different life forms living in them, benefiting people and associated with a lower incident of chronic disease.

Do you think fermented foods could help people with this parasite that gives you explosive diarrhea?

I mean, you could have been out the gate 20 minutes ago.

Yeah, the wides were tough.

The other thing is they suck your momentum as well.

So it was good play, create the chances.

Then when it goes wide, it just deflates guys and you're trying to knock it back into it again.

And in fairness to the Niveau boys, they never went away.

They just stayed going, stayed going, stayed going.

They're two good young fellas, yeah.

You were okay at half-time but just in the second half they got on top and kind of never let go.

Yeah, I suppose at half-time we felt we weren't enough ahead.

Having played with a strong breeze in the first half, six points was never going to be enough.

We didn't make enough use of the breeze in the first half.

And that put us in a difficult position then even coming into the second half.

They made better use of the second half in fairness and they took their score as well.

But our problem was that we didn't use it when we had it.

I know you wouldn't take it for granted, but that room is there.

So Coffee Matcha Pass says, what is the low end of body fat percentage for a man in his 50s? Any concerns about going too low?

Yeah, so the big comment, I get that question a lot.

So my comment back to that is, well, it depends on the type of fat you want.

If you got bad fat, you want none.

But there's a type of fat that you really want to have.

And I'll show you that picture so you can be aware of it.

And you really need to see it.

What's your diet like and how important is it to spend the extra money on grass-finished?

Um, but then you said the most important part of your soul, talk more about how your faith influences the way you see medicine and the way it helped patients.

Yeah, so my faith really is the most important part of my life.

And I see it as a valuable addition to my life.

You know, when our faith is appropriately aligned and understood, it's a positive force factor to improve the quality of our life.

People with faith, by and large, just live better lives, and they're able to endure, have better resilience, For the tragedies of life, the things, the ups and downs that happen.

So what I try to do with any of my clients I work with, help them to understand, too, that if they have faith, that it's an exploitable extra force.

and influence in their life.

And any comments on that?

did you lose?

I probably, you know, probably numerically didn't lose a huge amount of change in numbers because the sprinting and I started to work out more.

I started building, you know, muscle.

And so I was building muscle.

At the same time, I was losing this fat.

So the delta on the bathroom scale, the change in that number wasn't that big.

But what shocked me was the fact that all my symptoms went away.

Thanks so much, Sean.