it how did it start happening

It was just, so I had been kind of like, I have this country music playlist that I started in like, when I first got Spotify, probably like in 2012 or something like that.

And like, I've been building it like since then.

And it was just like, I love music.

late 80s and early 90s country because that's what I grew up listening to.

In the Bay Area in the late 80s and early 90s, there was, like, three or four country music radio stations, you know? And then by the time the 2000s rolled around, like, they had all gone out of business and country music was just, like, not in the mainstream and, like, not...

in the not like a big part of Bay Area culture at the time but I always had this soft spot for it and I

Like it stayed

[laughs]

Uh, I, uh, run a, an organization called Safer Now.

The aim really of the, or I suppose the mission, is all around practice development across the safeguarding sector, across all the partners, really around the sort of harm outside the home, safeguarding concerns.

And really it was born from my being a youth worker by background.

I used to run a youth center in a place in North Birmingham that was based on a, an estate, although I feel that word har- harbors lots of negative connotations inside it, 'cause we don't call a gated community an estate, but I'm sure objectively they're both the same thing.

Yeah.

I did that for a few years, managing those three sites, and the same stuff just came up over and over again.

And what was the real privilege is working alongside the medical staff, but of course police, social work, and what become really apparent was I don't think I met a young person where I couldn't look through their history and see something that we probably could have just done a lot better.