Um, which kind of upsets people in the audience, but really that's his first step to making Apple, um, putting it on life support and saving it.

So you've got these four different quadrants and you see, Hey, they've got their hands in a lot of different junk right now, and they're not doing any of it good.

They're just doing everything that they're doing.

at the same way that every other computer, uh, computer company is doing it.

I mean, you've got some big players right now.

Uh, Dell's not in the play yet.

Uh, I don't know when Dell comes in, but that becomes a whole nother story, but you've got Microsoft, uh, which they're not really making hardware.

Wouldn't you agree with that, Sean?