Was it side by side? I know an injury could tell you your rugby career and you've got a love of cricket as well but take us right back to when you picked the sticks up to start with.

Well, I was always a sport, Billy, you know.

I was head boy in school and I played a lot of soccer.

I was with Cardiff City as a 15-year-old.

And my dad was an apprentice at Leeds United under Don Revy back in the day.

So football was initially the first thing.

And cricket...

So tell us, I know what you do, but tell our listeners about what you do at Great Days Golf and maybe why you decided to do it

Sometimes it's the case, but vitally important, isn't it?

Yeah, it is.

As a head coach, to assume some coaching staff is very, very difficult.

He wants to put his own stamp on things, has a style of play.

Selection is a big one.

And if you haven't got people who, well, challenge you, for one, like-minded, another, you can trust, it's a big one on a coaching team, trust me, then you're not going to get it right.

So, It does feel like that, you know, and he's been able now to pick his own and he'll feel a lot more at ease.

Yes.

Sadly it

does.

You might have felt it, Tommy.

It was part of the culture we were able to build.

Almost like we ring-fenced ourselves.

Nobody comes to our house.

We learned a lot from you boys on that.

Just like I understand there's a lot of moving parts, but