You said there was a philosophical side to the book.

Yeah.

So, you know, I'm, I'm not very smart, so this is not [laughs] something I would've ever come up with on my own.

But, uh, when I was in graduate school, we were asked to try and create a personal philosophy that could be aligned with the way that we view education and the whole process of learning.

So I probably didn't know the word phenomenology in- at the time, but through my research, I realized, holy smokes, um, this really, really, really applies to my life and who I am today and what I've been at various points along the journey.

And ju- just this realization that it's the phenomenological experiences that create a person's perspective.

And I, I'm a big fan of Adlerian psychology and this whole idea of private logic.

What advice would you give to caregivers and parents who have to work with youth from at-risk environment, and what responsibility lies with the adults and the systems around them?