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Um, but it was probably, maybe it could have been about five years after that before I just picked up, um, uh, Death of an Naturalist and as soon as I started reading the poems, something that I can't describe came over me.

Do you know? Um, the first poem is Digging, and I could see my father...

I mean, this area is a very rural area.

Um, you know, most of the, the people here is, uh, would, would know about digging, know about farming, know about those, uh, rural activities.

But in that poem, I could see my father digging.

Uh, and suddenly I thought, "This is amazing.

I, I wanted to ask you, I was trying to imagine because I knew him in Dublin, but w- when, when he started to become known, let's call it, but when he came back from Dublin, coming back, he must have been like a rock star in, in-