So what did you do back then differently, or what did you do better to make sure you got to that goal?

Yeah, so the obsession was it was e- it's what I thought about all the time.

You know? It, it was, it, it was ever present in my mind that I was gonna ...

That that's the goal I was going after now.

I wanted, I wanted to play for France.

Um, and that obsession led to, uh, training as much as I could, making sure that I, I ate as best as I could, that I didn't drink alcohol, that I was staying away from ...

And it, it ...

What do you think, you know, was the massive change? Was it just the lack of a new generation of brilliant players like Ntamack, Jelonch, and François Cros, all these type of guys, Mouvaka, um, that, that, that changed thing, or do you believe there was a sy- systematic change in French rugby?