So I'm curious, is there anything that's come up for you recently that you've been thinking about in relation to forensic interviewing?

Yeah, I have to admit, being in the field so long, it gives you a little more perspective on trends and how things are going and where things started and where things are now.

I think A couple of things stand out for me and forgive me for a history lesson.

I just, from being so old, you sort of remember all this stuff.

I mean, when I started, when I started interviewing is really like introduced back in the mid nineties, like, and started at Duke in like 2001.

So that was smack dab in the middle of like very clear model generation.

And, you know, it's easy to talk to kids and just ask them and sort of this idea of, we're so worried about suggestion, and we're so worried about suggestibility, and every question is leading, and we're just so torqued up about what we're doing in the interview room, but much more the scientific side of things.

Mm-hmm.