You know, most people like career-wise move, you know, in one direction, you know, deeper into crypto or back to TradFi and you kept building bridges between these two, you know, What do you actually believe that most people in both worlds still don't quite get about each other? I

mean, I spent, you know, kind of early part of my career on more of the kind of operator side and venture in a couple of different startups.

It's funny, Silicon Valley was almost such happenstance in the middle of winding down one company that I was working with and, you know, Silicon Valley, you know, great group of people and They really wanted people who had empathy and understanding for what it was like to build on trenches.

And so I went over expecting I was going to be there for six months and hung around for, I think, nearly three years, got to do some fun stuff with the R&D team.

But it was all about just, you know, kind of being in the weeds, supporting founders on capital growth, you know, kind of operating challenges.

But that's what really, I think that was what was my foray into crypto was talking to some very, very technical founders who were building fascinating things At that time, you know, how do you commercialize these things? How do you communicate a value prop? How do you kind of drive a very traditional kind of business relationship and integrations? And so at that time, it was just technical teams of like, how do you translate from like very, very deep, complex engineering and protocols to into what is a viable product and what is the actual...

What is this addressing within market? The first product I worked on was trustless settlement.

What are the most challenging bits for yourself?