Have you started that one?

Yeah, I started the roofing company in 1990, um, fresh out of college, uh, never really having held a job.

I, I, I, I did r- you know, I worked for roofing companies, uh, throughout school, putting myself through college.

Uh, and then after, after I graduated, uh, I decided that, well, you know, I was in debt up to my eyeballs anyway, so why not give it a shot and open my own business? So I did that, and we were relatively successful for a couple years.

And the recession hit around '91, '92, um, and had to scale back a little bit.

Um, we...

I ended up purchasing a couple other roofing companies that were going out of business, trying to scale it that way, uh, but unfortunately I really didn't know, um, I didn't know what I didn't know, right? I guess, uh, you know, I, I understood the financials from a book standpoint, you know, from college, from taking classes, from having a finance degree.

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