Can you like lean into that a little bit and explain that a little bit for us?

Yeah, a lot of that comes from Emil Bruno's work as a researcher.

And he, you know, he was actually a high school teacher and he would lead these cross-racial intergroup dialogue experiences for his high school students.

And he would find oftentimes, for instance, across race, that when they'd have these conversations, you know, that oftentimes you would notice that his white students would get a lot out of that opportunity would learn a ton would feel really grateful for that experience but the students of color would feel more exhausted would feel like they did a lot of teaching not as much learning and they didn't walk away with that same sense of like positive affinity towards the other group as their white counterparts did And so he wanted to kind of explore that dynamic and understand like, what's going on here? Is there any way to shift that? And what he learned through his research is that power really matters when we talk about curiosity, that if you have more social power in a situation, it is actually more important for you to be curious.

And if you have less social power in a situation, it's more important for you to do what's called perspective giving or to share your stories and your perspectives and your your lived experiences.

And when you shape it in that direction, when you have a particular group that has more power becoming more curious, it actually leads to both groups walking away, feeling like they got something out of that, that they feel a larger sense of positive affinity towards the group that they just had a conversation with.

So what this points to is curiosity is really critical for conflict, which we're in a moment of conflict.

What does that look like and what's the practical takeaway for leaders around it?

Tell me more about those stories.

Oh my gosh, so many come to mind.

I think about this incredible librarian named Audrey, who has really been at the forefront of saying, we are not going to pull books from the shelves.

You don't have to agree with what these books are saying, but we should give everyone the opportunity to have a free and open exchange of ideas.

And that's what she says libraries are all about.

We are here to give people access to information.

I think it is something we... need to really pay attention to.

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Here's Scott.

[gentle music] Hi, everyone.

I'm so excited to share this visualization exercise to help you drop into your deep curiosity for your next conversation.

It's really taking a cue out of mental rehearsal, which comes from sports, so the idea that when you visualize yourself hitting a ball with a baseball bat or throwing a free throw at the basketball line, you're more likely to do it when you practice it in your mind through a visualization.

The same is true for curiosity.

So first, I invite you to sit or lie down and close your eyes.

Focus on your breath, your inhales and exhales.