And, you know, you have to have a self other binary to have like human thought at all in some kind of way.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, definitely.

So like, also, I mean, one other thing that is happening in this time period is these institutions, uh, that were funding Aranos have largely pulled out and it is being self-funded, which, uh, does lead, I think, you know, to more eccentricity does lead to the building, you know, falling apart in some ways.

And, uh, there ends up being these two other guys named Gilbert Durand and James Hillman who, like, are...

out of whatever, you know, structures of subjectivity, healthy subjectivity that a working class philosopher has already created in their natural struggle.

And there are various real estate deals and disputes that happen that are interesting along the way.

Would you mind if I got into some of the specifics about that? Absolutely.

Starting at 1948 and jump forward.

I found a lot of this to be fairly...

The path it took to be pretty fascinating on its own.

And so originally she kind of hands over ownership in 1948.

And to my understanding, it's partly, you know, getting older and her health is failing.

And, you know, you have to have a self-other binary to have like human thought at all in some kind of way.

Yeah

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he brings them into this Legion of the Archangel Michael, which would eventually have a paramilitary wing called the Iron Guard.

And he writes for their newspaper originally.

And this guy, his mentor is very interesting because his mentor already was very powerful.

Uh, he was an advisor to King Carol II at the time, which would have been the, uh, King of Hungary.

And he was basically the connection point between the king and, like, Romania's most successful industrial tycoon named Nicolae Mel- Ionescu.

the kind of spiritual roots of neoliberalism perhaps, or the n- the, the coming spiritual, the coming reconquest while the Chi- the so-called Chicago boys were working on the material economic angle.

Yeah

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he brings him into this Legion of the Archangel Michael, which would eventually have a paramilitary wing called the Iron Guard.

And he writes for their newspaper originally, and this guy, his mentor is very interesting because his mentor already was very powerful.

Uh, he was an advisor to King Carol II at the time, which would have been the, uh, King of Hungary.

And he was basically the connection point between the king and, like, Romania's most successful industrial tycoon, named Nicolae Mel- Melaxza.

Um, and that industrial tycoon, Melaxza, was, uh, basically bankrolling his lifestyle in favor for him, uh, communicating with the king on his behalf.

the kind of spiritual roots of neoliberalism perhaps, or the n- the, the coming spiritual, the coming reconquest while the Chi- the so-called Chicago boys were working on the material economic angle.

Mm

... they're writing this book going, "These people are doing it," and they're doing it.

Like-The people writing the book, the, you know, people pushing the book.

And it's, one of those that absolutely drives me insane is, I'm- have you ever heard this argument before? I've heard it quite a bit from, like, you know, people are trying to be very rational and stuff, that they're like, "Oh, people who believe in conspiracies, it actually, it's comforting because it takes a chaotic world and it-

Mm

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they just, they had differences in belief, and they split off into different sectarian whatevers.

So if you're being very, very generous, you could claim that maybe part of the sectarianism would have to do with, you know, what Alfred Schuler would end up doing.

... between the lines, you know?

Yeah.

And I definitely think...

I've thought a lot about the weird kind of connections between the, the Western sort of Buddhist or Gnostic ideas and something like this in some ways I hadn't really thought of before, where I'm like, you know, when you talk about the idea of, you know, the, uh, this, like, striving for nothingness or, you know, some of these people in this group too were very into, like, specifically chaos in, like, the Greek sense or whatever.

And, like, I really think there is something to the idea of there's a very materialist reason to push these ideas, because if you can convince people to...

Your average, you know, person to want nothing is the, you know, pinnacle of enlightenment or whatever-

Yeah.

N- no, uh, i- and there, uh, um, are so many weird, uh, connections between her and, uh, just these German institute...