We want to know what that actually looked like.

That's a great question, Michelle.

And thank you so much for having me on this episode.

I appreciate that you said go way back because it does go back a long way.

As I was growing up in Kenya and started to think about what I wanted to do after high school, I knew I was going to be graduating from a school in Kenya and that I was wanting to study in the U.S. At that time, that was really the best place.

And now there are options.

But at that time, there weren't a lot of options outside of the U.S. to get there.

and

Mm

... because a lot of times when we see full ride scholarships or full scholarships, it really is kind of the academic side and it doesn't address, like, living arrangements and transportation and the books and, like, there's a ton of expenses that al- that don't always get calculated in.

And, you know, one of the things that when I'm working with a student and a family, we're, we're always addressing kind of all the hidden costs and possible surprises because the worst, the thing that can, that, that derails students most quickly is unexpected surprises, unmet expectations.

And so finances is one of those things where we often go in thinking more is covered than actually is.

And so it's a, it's a really good question to ask this.

The, the truth is yes, there are full scholarships.

There are scholarships that cover everything.

Mm-hmm.