But what are you guys looking at when you're looking at this first round series b- or second round series, excuse me, between the Canes and the Flyers?

If I go by history watching Carolina close up, I don't have too much experience with Philly because they've been down for so many years.

Um, I like the way they played this year when they played us, the Panthers, 'cause w- I go to the games down here.

I've been a season ticket holder for over 25 years.

But I have a lot of experience watching Carolina.

And to harken back to when we, I think we swept them that year, and th- the coach was looking at the press after losing game four, he goes, he couldn't accept that he lost.

He goes, "Well, I don't feel like we lost." Like-

Mm.