But that gap, it just seems like it gets wider and wider.

Yeah.

I mean, I think the gap is huge and I think it's important to not only recognize the gap, but recognize sort of why the gap's there.

And part of me, I get frustrated and angry with people sometimes, but I'm like, I have to remind myself that like, really since birth, We are, as a society, at least in the United States, like met with a complete lie about how the criminal legal system works.

I realized this from birth to present because I have an 11-year-old and I remember the realization and it even like went over my head that Paw Patrol was actually copaganda.

I was like, oh my God, I'm rooting for these cute little puppies.

And beyond that, to like arrest someone beyond that, it was like, Who are they arresting every time? They're arresting the one kind of person that is very rarely held accountable, like the powerful white mayor of whatever town they were in.

But what's the difference between telling someone's story with dignity and using their story for a campaign?