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... for sure.

But I, there's also an intellectual aspect, and that's, uh, so I'll briefly talk about that, and that is, um, w- when I, as a musician I was always thinking, I was always intrigued by the notion of why are people motivated to do what they do? Like how, where do these passions come from that, that, that we have, or these interests that we have come from? And, um, so when I decided to change careers, I did a, actually for me, a, a, an incredibly systematic, uh, detailed, uh, kind of process to kind of figure out, okay, what else would I do? And I...

going back to school was intriguing and appealing to me, because I always loved school.

And so, um, I, as I started to reflect on that I thought, well, you know, one thread, um, in my interest is, has always been, why do people do what they do? And, you know, h- how do you get to be passionate about something? And, um, and so I settled on psychology and I, I started, uh, just sort of researching what angles are there in psychology.

The notion of industrial organizational psychology, which is where I eventually, uh, got my PhD in, um, was really interesting to me because it was this, uh, connection between psychology and the world of work.

And, um, and so, so there you go.

Yeah