Before we get to the new book, how did you and your co-author, Kenneth Womack, first meet? And what made the two of you realize you can work well together?

Well, we both gave a presentation many years ago in Boulder, Colorado, and I took pity on Ken and took him under my wing.

No, actually, we really hit it off right away.

We both loved the Beatles, of course, but we really loved diving in behind the music.

And we've continued to talk and do projects here and there.

And then when COVID hit, We decided it would be great since everyone was home to start an online Beatles class.

And it just took off.

Do you and Kenneth believe those limitations encouraged the Beatles to become more inventive or do you think with more equipment and more possibilities like we have today that their music could have been even greater than it was?