How much you gotta pack out.

Uh-huh.

Um, but I think it, you know, that's, I'm always thinking deer first and, um, elk second, where I think a lot of people are the inverse of that.

Um, but I definitely got that gene from my grandfather of just, we were just a big deer hunting family.

Um, and now that my daughter, she'll be 12 pretty soon, um, and in Montana, you can't hunt elk until you're 12.

But at, part of the apprentice program, um, you can hunt deer starting at 10 as long as you have a mentor, which usually is in the form of a guardian or parent.

And, um, so she's really excited about that.

Yeah.