How do you and your wife think about that?

Well, we think it's very important for a start.

I mean, some people think work-life balance is a myth, but I think that the balance has got to be in touch with your personal core values.

I'm really, really big on people understanding their own personal core values, or at least I'm big on understanding mine because it helps me make decisions.

In terms of running a business in a few countries, that really comes down to people empowering people.

If you tell people that you believe in them or they've got to have the tools and the knowledge, but businesses are resilient.

They don't really break.

Was it family, fun, travel? yeah freedom freedom