If you could just start by taking maybe 30 seconds to just explain what your role is and what you actually do.

Yes, certainly.

Vicky, thanks for having me on the podcast.

So my name is Scott Cameron.

I'm the chief operating officer for fixed income and currencies.

I'm here at Deutsche Bank.

I've been fortunate to be at the bank for the best part of 20 years.

And moving on to the other bucket, credit, could you tell us a little bit more about that?

Elsewhere on the pitch, Jack Butland has ended his time at Rangers.

Well, obviously the, the deal that was done, uh, I mean, I think it's the right time for Jack Butland.

He's got-- He was going into the last year of his contract, and I think, uh, his form had been a bit up and down.

Uh, he had a, he had a great first season, but his last couple of years have been pretty inconsistent.

So we've obviously, we've done the deal for Pandur from Hull City.

So he's coming in for £6 million to replace Jack Butland.

Jack Butland's obviously gone, gone there.

I think a lot of Rangers fans were maybe a bit sad to see him go out on loan, but what do you see happening with him? Would you, would you be keen to try and tie him down at Rangers?

What is the sticking point? What is it that is holding up these talks?

Well, first of all, Mike and Chris, thank you very much for having me on to talk with you today.

The main problem is that we are in a serious drought and have been for several decades across the Colorado River Basin.

The second major problem is back in 1922 when they did the compact.

they overestimated the amount of water that would be in the river.

So not only did they overestimate the amount of water they could share by around 15% or 20%, we now are in a serious drought.

So we're in a situation where everybody's being pinched for water, and fundamentally that's the problem.

What happens when that money runs out? At some point, do you have to step in and say, all right, children, this is the way it's going to be?

Can you briefly explain what that role is like? You've got a lot of different personalities and a lot of needs from a lot of states.

Yeah, so you're absolutely right.

So we've got seven different states.

They're all a little bit different, and there are about 30 Indian tribes that all have a stake in the

management of this river as well.

So Interior's role for the last three or four years, even predating the Trump administration, has been to convene those seven states to talk to the tribes, to understand what their real needs are, what their priorities are, and to try to find compromised solutions.

In fact, we've offered three separate solutions over the last year or so based on listening to those seven states.

What happens when that money runs out? At some point, do you have to step in and say, all right, children, this is the way it's going to be?

Oh.

In other words, there were about four words that these advisors said families used regularly in the home, including adults, which were happy, sad, mad.

So they said we need to develop the ca- vocabulary because mad is not the same as frustrated, but if a child doesn't even know the word frustrated, or if the parent in the family doesn't know the word frustrated, then you're not gonna be able to really help them manage that emotion, because you're, you...

Managing frustration is different than managing anger, for example.

Mm.

Same with sadness versus anger, which sometimes are conflated, right? Yeah.

And so we developed, we pivoted, and in that week, um, the colleagues that I was with w- changed everything that we had planned, and we pivoted to really building out what the emotions are.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

And, uh, we were open.

We didn't know anything about the area at all.

All we knew was Benton and Bryant.

Um, so we, we, we looked around that area, and we don't know, we found Grace Church, which is in East End, Arkansas.

And absolutely just fell in love with it.

Uh, started watching online from Arizona.

You know, it's just-

I still like to call that good stuff, right? But-

Yeah.

And, and, and anything beyond that is even better.

That's ideal state.

I think generally what we find is even if somebody is using a call tracking partner, they're not necessarily at that stage.

And one of the really good ways that we can approach this and still give meaningful information to the algorithm, which is crucial.

The more we are giving the algorithm important signals that actually lead to business outcomes, the better off we're gonna be, the better off performance is gonna be tied to those outcomes.

Every time I'm gonna push new information, what happens to the old information? How do I think about my campaigns evolving?" How do you think about that process and what really goes into it?

Was that just, like, your natural pace, or were you running a bit faster so you could get back in time for a shoes and socks change?

Um, no, I didn't, I didn't actually do that many shoe, shoe and sock changes.

They were just sort of scheduled, you know, maybe every six or 12 hours to check the socks and, and feet.

Um, but no, that was really just my natural sort of, I guess, pace.

Um, I didn't feel too comfortable running much slower, and I didn't, I didn't enjoy walking too much more.

Um, so yeah, that 45 mark just seems, you know, a, a good mix for me on that course.

Um, and certainly, like, there was...

Um, so what was the thinking behind calling it a day during the 76th yard?

You maybe have a few gripes with some of the decisions at the weekend.

Maybe not quite with the same passion that Liam's got.

He's got a, he's got immortality and a title up for grabs.

Um, my issue with officials is just the inconsistency of it, that from one game to the next, you'll get a yellow card, you'll get a red card.

That's the, the, the, the, the issue is quality and inconsistency for me.

Sunday, um, Paul says Rangers were decent for 15, 20 minutes, very similar to the Hearts game.

You know, lots of nice wee triangles in the wrong areas, to be honest, without creating a lot of chances.

Is there still, is there still hope in his future at Rangers? I mean, he says he's been given assurances by the board that he will still be there next season.

What, what are your thoughts on, on Danny Roll and his, I suppose, capabilities of being Rangers manager longer term?

Well, I don't want to get into this stage of rinse and repeat.

We've, we've done that for, for years and years.

We got ourselves back into contention.

Um, as I've said before, I didn't believe it was gonna happen back in October, November time.

However, since February, our performances have been poor.

Danny Roll has made an awful lot of mistakes.

sensationalScott, do you agree with what Liam was saying about Rangers coming out in the second half and looking like they were, they were quite content to just try and play for that 1-0?

How are you feeling about it?

I think Celtic, I think we said previously, they've got a run-up, they've got three home fixtures out of the last five, which could be a factor, I think.

If Celtic can follow up what they did at the weekend against Falkirk, then I think Celtic's the one that I would probably be fearing the most.

Worried's probably not the right word to use, but I think this weekend is massive.

I think I've said that every week, to be honest, but I think Hibs against Hearts, the momentum that Hearts and the belief that Hearts would get from winning that, I might have a different opinion come Monday, but I think Celtic at this moment in time, because as Liam says, they've been over the course before and they've got the sort of three home fixtures that I think But it's very much toss of a coin, to be honest with you.

I'm very much focused on what Rangers do and anything.

As long as we win our game, the other teams can hopefully cut each other's throats with draws and stuff like that.

How do you see where they are right now and how that break will affect them?