What does it take for a joke to become a project, to become something that I can hold in my hands?

Yeah, it's been fascinating.

So I started out making fake book covers for my keynote and my MC work as just a comedy piece.

It was parroting personal development books, business books.

So I had covers like The Power of Later, Rich Dad, Absent Dad.

which I thought was a fun title.

Welcome to Procrastinationville, getting to the right moment and letting it pass.

yeah you know you you told me that friction has no punchline you know the same instinct minus anything funny at the end is there a punchline you're still looking for on that one or have you made peace with it just staying unfunny

You kind of called this out to the universe and then it happened.

Yeah, I mean, a lot of this is communicating with the universe and working within synchronicity.

Synchronicities are these coincidences that you can't believe happen as you meet that person who you were just thinking about.

That's a common one.

But I shoot pool.

That's my new passion now.

I'm playing an opponent last Wednesday during one of our league matches.

So I guess my first question in regards to this area is, what do you see that people are getting wrong about their approach to creating good culture?

It's not what I expected, but maybe it's exactly what I needed.

Exactly.

It's funny.

So Scott Bakula, I don't know if you know the actor Scott Bakula.

Yeah, of course.

He was from Quantum Leap and NCIS New Orleans.

He was a Star Trek captain on the show Star Trek Enterprise for four seasons.

And it was just, man, I just really loved it.

How did you get there? How did it feel to go in that direction?

Yeah, so I was, I felt, I think even the first time I was on stage, it felt very natural.

Now here's the funny thing.

It was easier for me to be on stage than probably, I was put in a situation as well.

It wasn't a Toastmasters and I'm very familiar with them and I think it's a great organization and really helps people build their confidence.

Because in order to get better at storytelling, getting better at presenting, you need to be on stage.

I was fortunate because I felt very natural on stage right from the beginning.

What do you mean by that? And what do other readers actually getting underneath the jokes?