And how did that transition hit you when you retired four years ago?

It was shock and awe in the beginning.

I was a little bit of a panic in the beginning.

You know, I knew six months before that, I think it was in June, that I was going to retire at the end of the year.

And I remember having a conversation with the CEO of Karari, who's the company I ended up selling Monosol to, and stayed there for 10 years after we sold it and quadrupled it in size.

And I thought, well, you know, I'm going to stick around, you know, I'll keep working.

But we had a plan put together for me to leave at a certain time.

But you always

I want to hear some more about that.

Well, this, I think, subtitled the first book, Formulating Solutions, is an unexpected entrepreneurial journey, right? It's like, so, you know, go to school, get a chemistry degree.

It was back in the time when plastics were big.

I had an uncle that was at Ashland Chemical, rising up through the ranks.

He had a nice house.

He had a great wife.

He had good cars.

So, so the, the first