Mm-hmm

... oh, shoot, that would've been oh, early 80s, late 70s, early 80s.

So I mean, I'm still only, I was born in '66, so I'm still only [laughs] 14, 15 years old.

But I'd drug her around, drug her around.

Of course, I'm just a kid, but I could not get a first place win with her.

I don't know how many seconds and thirds, but finally did get a, get a win on her.

Then I started breeding her, and Speck had just won.

Yeah

Yeah, that's a long-time name in the breed, yeah.

He had a litter mate, Wild Woody, which had been a litter mate to Cash and him back in those 70s.

But he'd called Dad and wanted to know about, he'd bought a young dog off Leonard Hobbs.

The dog ended up being named Paleface Joe.

Yeah.

And he was pretty high on him.

And probably, if I was guessing, wanting to see if Dad would want to hunt him, if I was guessing the way it happened, I never did hear that.

Oh, okay.

Mm-hmm

... oh, shoot, that would've been oh, early '80s, late '70s, early '80s.

So I mean, I'm still only, I was born in '66, so I'm still only 14, 15 years old.

But I'd jog her around, drag her around.

Of course, I'm just a kid, but I could not get a first place win with her.

I don't know how many seconds and thirds, but finally did get a, get a win on her.

Then I started breeding her, and Speck had just won, Dad had won the world hunt with Speck in '79.

Yeah