
Sayo Martin
Co-founder of PerfOps Diagnostic; marketing leader with 15+ years across tech, entertainment, and nonprofits; former CMO at Catalyst and Deloitte.
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Jul 23, 2026
How nonlinear careers build stronger marketing leaders
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12:24BenHOST
If someone is in that position saying, how do I expand my skill sets and stuff like that? How does AI play a role? How do they bring on this growth mindset? to kind of go to the next level to be someone that can manage a group of people.

Sayo MartinGUEST
You know what's so interesting, Ben? It wasn't, for my career, it wasn't that I was kind of jumping from, you know, sub-discipline to just sub-discipline, right? It was more about industries.

Sayo MartinGUEST
So people were like, you know, I call myself a cross-industry marketer where...
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20:51BenHOST
Yeah.