But how does porn and addiction to porn and all these different areas, I would say sexual deviancy in this kind of way, how does that... impact them in other areas of their lives, like in their career or even as they show up as a

father? Yeah.

So you have to first understand the inverse relationship there, which is that pornography is rampant among high performers.

So I've worked with... business owners, guys in the NFL, some of the top-rated surgeons in the world.

I've actually worked with, we had an addiction physician come through our program.

He literally went to med school to help guys quit addictions come into our program, just to give people an idea of what we do is very, very different.

But I also say that to illustrate that pornography is very enticing for a high performer for a couple of reasons.

and wouldn't you know it right back in the porn and he was saying it is so it is so much more infinitely difficult than anything he's ever done and so my question for you man is like why is this so hard for guys what is what is it about porn that's so difficult over most other things

First of all, how did you get into this? Let's hear your story and how you got into this realm.

Yeah, I got exposed to pornography in the computer lab of my Christian school when I was 11 years old.

So that's really where the story starts.

I was a pastor's kid, obviously Christian school, Christian education.

So I'm the kid that grew up that really should have never gone into anything like this.

I had a good life.

My parents were stable at home.

Just let's talk real here about how to develop self-discipline when you're single and how that will pay off in