And it's, it's been really gratifying to also share my findings with the rest of our staff, and everyone's been really excited about it.

My name is Sasha Lewis.

I am with Moves Management Consulting, part of the Arizona Greater Chapter of AFP, and I have been a fundraiser and a member of AFP this fall for twenty-five years.

And really had an opportunity in my career around 2008.

It was a downtime during, you know, the recession was hitting the nonprofit sector, and at the time, I was still relatively, like, young in my career.

I'd been in around for a couple of years.

But at that time, I wound up going through two job losses in a row and laid off twice, one after the other.