How d- how does it work? Tell me what you've found.

Well, you know, they track absolutely everything about us.

We, when, when people were saying we have digital avatars, you know, the conspiracy theorists are all saying that, well, that's really kinda true, 'cause they have everything on us.

They know where you live, how tall you are, what color your hair, what big y- how big your shoes are, what size your clothes are, what color of clothes that you prefer.

They know who you're married to.

They know where you were yesterday at every time because of your phone, unless you don't have your phone on you, unless you have a d- an Apple Watch or something else that's tracking you, they have that.

But they may have your wife if you forgot your phone, and so they know where she was at, so they'll probably know where you're at, too, even if you don't have your phone.

Am I being too pessimistic?

Was there a moment when you realized the technology connecting us could also be used against us?

I was more of an idealistic young engineer when I was, you know, in telecom.

And I did more the, before I was responsible for all the systems and development and design for enterprise, which is we had upwards of 90% of the frame relay market, which was the backbone of the internet in the 90s, you know, when the internet was really building out.

That's what I did.

But before I did that, I was responsible for all the data analysis and design, the management systems of the internet.

So it was all data focused.

At that point, I was super excited about it because I realized how powerful it was.

How are they gonna, how do they do this? What are the mechanics?

So what are they looking for?

Well, they want to make the most amount of money they possibly humanly possibly can.

It's basic commerce since the beginning of time.

The difference is now they have a lot of information on you and you don't have much on them.

So the free market isn't operating like It typically would.

This is a whole other ballgame of how things are working.

And in the research that we're looking at, you could also do charity, right? It doesn't always have to be bad.

You got any books?

I was

the kid in school.

I...

I used to write backwards when I was a little one.

You know how I'm left-handed and I wrote mirrored, which is like a certain percentage of kids who are left-handed see in spatial.

And so they copy what they're seeing as pictures and then you write like a mirror.

Leonardo da Vinci wrote like a mirror, right? That's how I wrote as a kid.

yeah over here it's the labor party same thing yeah exactly okay so going back to google so what was the specific what is the specific thing that this case is all about for you and google

Am I wrong?

Well, they're gonna use AI whatever they can to make the most profits they can, right? I mean, that's kind of human nature, and now we have a new tool, and this tool is taking all of the things that human beings will do, and they're automating it.

And it's horrifying when you see big businesses and big institutions doing it, but, you know, we always knew that that's what was behind this, and now with the AI having, putting things into hyperdrive, we're seeing it.

That Federal Trade Commission, uh- ... demanded data from eight different companies, Morgan Chase, you know, big credit card companies, McKinsey.

And, uh, they realized just how much data they were collecting, these big data brokers were collecting, and how detailed it was.

And that data is being used across everywhere.

And it's not just those data brokers, it's the social media companies.

Right.

Thank you.

Yeah, surveillance pricing is another way that people look at it.

Basically, th-they-- with AI, with ChatGPT and all the different AI, um, you know, AI, uh, applications and the browsing data, they really track everything about you, right? We-- The conspiracy theorists have long talked about having an AI or a avatar, right, a digital avatar, and that's really not that far-fetched.

We really have everything about everyone who uses the internet in any kind of way.

And they're using that information to determine what to charge you for products.

The FCC just-- the FTC just did, in twenty twenty-four, uh, had realized this was going on, and the Federal Trade Commission began an investigation, and they looked into...

They made the demands to eight companies: Mastercard, Revonix, Bloomreach, JPMorgan Chase- Task Software, PROS, Accenture, and McKinsey & Company.

I would only know because my girlfriend and I are comparing information, otherwise I wouldn't know.

What do you think?

It all is.

Anything that you're seeing in media is an agenda.

They're planned.

I mean, those are planned pieces that are put in there for some other agenda.

So you have to look behind what are they actually planning.

When you look at where the money is being invested and where the capital flows are, there's massive capital flows going into alternative energy.

What are your concerns, if any, about the threat or non-threat that AI poses?

What do you think?

It all is.

Anything that you're seeing in media is an agenda.

They're planned.

I mean, those are planned pieces that are put in there for some other agenda.

So you have to look behind, what are they actually planning? When you look at where the money is being invested and where the capital flows are, there's massive capital flows going into alternative energy.

and into AI, right? AI had 70% of the capital investment is propping up our entire economy.

What are your concerns, if any, about the threat or non-threat that AI poses?

What got you interested in the Epstein case in the first place?

Well, Epstein wasn't my first rodeo in looking at this stuff.

I started many years ago in 2016.

I first interviewed somebody by the name, his name was Survivor, Scott the Survivor, and that one is what really opened my eyes.

I was the first one to interview this guy, and his dad back in California in the 70s worked for the Democrat Party, and he would recruit people Not just for the politicians, but politicians were a big thing for political parties.

So like after they would have their fundraisers, they'd stay after and do those pool parties.

People remember that WikiLeaks email where Obama said that there was going to be three kids in the hot tub and said their ages.

How is he doing, Sarah? Oh,

How important have relationships been for you in your career?

Well, it's everything.

Right? I mean, everything you do is creating relationships.

It's more important than anything else is establishing those.

Everything, you know, a podcast is really a business.

I don't look at it as I just make money from the platforms paying me.

I know that they aren't going to pay me what I need to survive.

Is that on a particular platform? Like you're talking about YouTube specifically, you're talking about Spotify video?

So do you think there's any speech that should be censored? Like, "Here's a how to build a nuclear bomb tutorial," or, "Here's how to build a weapon of mass destruction for, you know, under $10 using the supplies in your kitchen and laundry room," or, uh, "Here are the names and addresses of prominent Jews." Uh, I mean, is there any, any-

Yeah, I think that's a really good, a, that's a really, really great question, and I think that is what makes this whole area really hard to, um, get our arms around, and it also makes it very easy to weaponize, meaning there are legitimate things that we really don't want out there.

We don't want everybody making names of Jewish people who are innocent who, a- a- or creating these, this, this s- just aw- aw- pornography.

We've decided as a community, in general, people don't wanna see pornography on their screens, right? And people generally accept the platform saying, "No pornography." Pretty much every platform does that, right? And there's other things, and you listed some things.

What, what, what makes it difficult is how do we, um...

I mean, this is a really serious area of discussion.

How do we keep ourselves safe as a society and still allow journalists and us to push back and have realistic discussion and debates about the edge of change? I always say, 'cause I, my show is about the edge of change on everything, and I've realized over the years that when you're talking about the edge of change, you are always stepping on the toes of scientists that wanna protect their egos, businesses that wanna protect their cash flow, governments that wanna protect their power positions.

Good for him

taken your channel off again or what? What's your relationship?

So what happened was you were talking about the letter that they sent to Congress on admitting that they were coerced by the U.S. government and they were going to reinstate channels based on the taking it down for covid and for election integrity.

And of course, I was one of those.

I fit clearly into that case.

And they put me back up for three days in 2024 and then took me down three days later.

My channel went from being misinformation to at one point and then to bullying and harassment.

I have no idea who I bullied and harassed.

From your perspective, talk about this whole experience.

And whenever I see town hall meetings about this, Sarah, it seems like most people are opposed to

Well, most people are opposed because there's no transparency.

They don't understand.

I like to, again, compare it to roads.

If suddenly, I mean, people are okay with the road here and there intentionally, organically created for your needs, right? A lot of corporations, a lot of hospitals, universities, they all have data centers, right? But when suddenly you have these massive data centers, it'd be like suddenly we could have five times the roads, a 40-lane highway going down the middle of our state.

You'd be like, what's going on? It's the same thing.

It's infrastructure needs, right? We have no transparency.

And are other countries doing it to this scale? I mean, I heard that they're not, Sarah.

Like, such as?

Like, um, I was gonna wait for you to say something, but I have defamation, I have all sorts of things.

So th- they took me down, uh, in 2020, then let me back up for two days, then took me down again, switched it, claimed I was bullying and harassing people, which with...

But every single video that came down was, you know, doctors and MDs and things.

And then they had all these fake...

Actually, there was a fake channel that was up years, that has been up since, like, 2001 or some- or 2021.

But there was four, uh, fake channels up.

Mm-hmm

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I don't know if it's gonna be that possible without kinda checking out.

I think that the best way to do it is to get involved with your, um, politicians and your communities, and we gotta upgrade who we have in office.

I, I did a, a, this a couple years ago, was looking at just who's in office, and there's, like, one person who's a computer scientist.

Not that that's necessarily the only way you learn it, is by going to school, but to be it.

Two people are electrical engineers.

I mean, that's the whole, the whole future of tech.

Yeah

You're training?

... remote view.

Yeah.

[laughs] I've been, I've been training on it 'cause I'm like, "Okay, I wanna understand this," so I started training on it.

So I've been doing it for about a year and a half seriously, like, really doing it.

But I had Julia Asher on, whose son...

It was the number one podcast on Christmas Day, talking about her son.

What's your thoughts on that subject?

It's pretty intense there.

This is what people don't realize.

And I made an effort because I was during COVID.

I got to the point where I was so disgusted.

with the media and the left, right? Because I saw them taking our freedoms.

I saw them shutting everybody down.

I saw them hurting a lot of small businesses.

Tell us your thoughts about the current protests, Sarah.

Tell us more, Sarah.

Well, I mean, that's the pattern that we're seeing.

His case is absolutely incredible.

They were accusing him of rape.

They were accusing him of riding on the Epstein plane, of being a pedophile.

Basically, their AI, Gemini, said if you Because when you do a background check on him, don't have anything to do with this guy, because it's going to make you look bad, that kind of thing.

And they had links to CNN, Fox News, all these articles about him, although the links didn't go anywhere.

And you've had a lot of problems with Google personally, right?

Lay this out for us.

Well, they, they fabricated it, right, the, the c- the famous, uh, Clinton dossier and, uh, paying for it and then, uh, fabricating this entire report, and then putting it out into the media.

Uh, the, the...

What people need to understand is they came up with a narrative that they thought they could sell to the American people, and then they dug right in, and it didn't matter if there wasn't, uh, facts and there wasn't im- you know, true information backing this.

You had people like Rachel Maddow talking 24 hours a day.

People were just salivating after, you know, getting this information, and they were creating this division in this country, trying to, uh, destroy Donald Trump's reputation, and they were doing a pretty good job within their political party, and they never let up.

They were doing it day after day after day, and that's what people don't...

Can he go down for this?

Mm-hmm.

And so, you know... And so when people are complaining about Elon Musk coming in, "He has access to our data," it's like, well, that's pretty disingenuous, because where were you years ago when this really was serious when they already built the entire infrastructure? So what he has access to to help cut the federal bureaucracy and to actually go after crime and bloating and criminal activity, now that's a good use of technology, right? And so we have to be very specific as to what it is that people are doing and, and fight it from a smart standpoint, because there's so many people that are just fighting everything now, big tech, technocracy, right? And they, they, they can't differentiate between... They just think the whole thing is bad. Uh, you're not gonna win when-

Since we're playing catch-up, you said it was very low-tech. Anyone can put together a flashy intro, get a decent microphone now, have oodles of memory and connectivity, and say and make anything seem however they want to play a part of a narrative, and that's someone who's trying. It, it's, it's a very Wild West situation.

It is, and that's why we need people to step up and we need maturity and we need to be serious about this, and we need to just break out of our paradigms because the paradigm is what's, you know, not gonna set us free. We have to break out of that and say, "Okay, how do we forge this forward where these tools are absolutely beyond powerful that we've ever had, and how do we maintain our freedom in this environment?" But still, I mean, there's so many good things we can do, and so you can't just be like, "It's all bad," or, "It's all good." Just be very specific. "This part's good. This part, not so much." Then noth- You know, like CBDC, everybody's, you know, was talking about CBDC being bad. And, hmm, yeah, but you can defeat CBDC, they'll just change the name. So it's really important that you understand it and understand the functions that are gonna happen, not necessarily get caught up in the names. You gotta understand the functionality of what's happening.