Yeah

... uh, but y- but you and I are like belong to a similar generation, so we had to wait for the ad breaks, and when we left the house, um, I do remember Christmas Eve mass being a particular point of contention, uh, where you would miss whatever telly was on the BBC because you didn't, you couldn't possibly record it Um, and so like patience was something that we had, and a willingness to let things go.

Like, I think actually as humans we were able to like forgive and forget a bit more, um, mostly 'cause things weren't un- constantly being recorded and captured for all eternity.

Um, I think we were, we're, one, we have an issue with patience now.

I mean, our children have no patience.

Everything needs to be immediate.

Um, and patience is required, I think, for creativity as well.

Yeah.