would say, well, that's really positive and it looks really great, etc., etc.,

there are real challenges there in terms of that property-driven model has been.

It's not just a new thing.

That has been a defining feature of the way in which urban policy has operated in the UK for the last at least 10, 15 years.

There was a deliberate attempt to centralise, to densify cities, often called a conglomeration, if you like.

And it was really the basis of the Northern Powerhouse idea as well.

So work in Manchester so you see it every day but this is not just something that happens in Manchester and so you've seen this influx of developer capital quite often from overseas into cities like Manchester and I think there are and also in Manchester the phenomenon of a huge number buy to rent properties owned by pension companies by you know offshore tax havens all sorts of things and you have to ask there is an important question you have to ask here about Who benefits from all of this? You know, the theory is that this money comes in and then the benefits trickle down and trickle out to the neighbouring boroughs and places like Greater Manchester.

Where are some reasons to be hopeful of kind of interesting stuff in the UK?

And, you know, there's countless stats now, right? And information that's come out as to the detrimental effect of that decision that decision right leaving the EU and even so you know why is it such that you know politically it seems like you know like a what's the word I'm looking for falling on your own knife to actually admit that Brexit was a failure and that actually maybe we should join or rejoin I should say

Yeah, I mean, certainly there's a lot of disquiet about it.

It's a bit like Harry Potter, Lord Voldemort.

You can hardly mention the name of Brexit.

But you're right.

And I think, I mean, I'm from Northern Ireland, so the impact of Brexit in Ireland particularly has been profound, not only in terms of the economy, but just in terms of you know, the challenges and, you know, ability of people to feel that they're in control.

So I feel, I think, yes, Brexit, but I think we've had layers of challenges too.

Dr. Sarah, apart from change in leadership, what else is change, where else is change required for the overall stability of the country?

How radical, Sarah, could it be if cities across the UK had more devolved power than they do at the moment? What difference could that make?

Well, I think it can make a really big difference.

Local leaders and decision makers to make decisions based on the knowledge and the information that they have about their own place.

And I think what we've seen in Manchester, in West Midlands and some of the other areas where devolution has really had a big impact in the UK, we've seen places really starting to take control of things like transport, housing, health.

and try to design those services in a way which better suits and matches the context of those places rather than a kind of one size fits all from Westminster.

And I think the big difference that that could make would be that it can move at much greater speed than the Westminster machine.

You know, you devolve the power, you devolve the funding And places can get on with it rather than having to wait for all the machinations of central government.

And even then, you know, in Manchester, great for the city centre, but people in Oldham and Rochdale and the more deprived parts of Greater Manchester might say, well, we're still waiting to see these improvements.