remember.

I laugh because what else can you do? Our town was hit really hard then.

We weren't living here then, but my partner's family home and farm burnt.

And my partner and his family stayed to help my parents defend.

It never came to that.

And then this year, so that's six years later, our community was hit again by a bushfire and lost farms and homes and massive state forest animal wildlife impact this year as well.

So very bushfire prone.

So I'm curious from your perspective, what do you think of that is something you would be like, Hey everyone, let's go this way.

Can you share what drew you to architecture and how sustainability became such a, such a central and important part of your practice?

Yeah, absolutely.

Um, I was reflecting on this recently actually, and, um, I think all the way through for me it's been a mix of head and heart, everything.

So I first studied architecture, or chose architecture as a pathway.

I didn't really know much about it, but, um, at the time finishing up school, I guess, my heart really enjoyed creativity and design, and my head was really fascinated by science.

Um, and also I guess those s- that desire to organize things and also communicate things played in there as well.

I perhaps didn't realize that till later.

... are needed to accelerate what I, what I would call real world impact?