Again, working across healthy, sustainable, and just food systems, could be healthy, sustainable, and just other systems, and science, policy, and society interfaces.

Exactly.

So at Convene, our working hypothesis is that effective science, policy, society interfaces... are essential for breakthroughs at scale.

So if we're talking about the SDGs or, as Amanda mentioned, healthy, sustainable, and just food systems, we believe that deliberate dialogue helps to open up these spaces between these actors.

But what we often observe is also that science is very good at speaking, but at less comfortable, uh, with listening or reflecting on its own purpose and positionality.

And science is also most effective when it convenes, when it brokers, and provides guardrails and informs these actional solutions that we are looking for.

So as conveners, we often come into these spaces to challenge the participants in the room to take a bit of a risk and to consider other people's perspectives.

Maybe just share a little bit about what you found particular and specific from your point of view about these community-for-action dialogues.