Why don't you share with us that situation?

Yeah.

So, yes, the goal was to be Tom Cruise, Maverick.

So I went through flying training and one of the first things they do is they kind of assess where to place you.

And there's sort of three rungs, if you like.

The top one is fast jets.

So, you know, Typhoons, F-14s, you know, as it would have been back in the day.

Iraq and Afghanistan.

Do you have any particular examples perhaps where you've used mindfulness for yourself that you wouldn't mind sharing?

Like I say, I practice mindfulness every day.

So it's just, it's one of those things that just ends up changing subtly how your mind works.

So it's incremental and it's sort of evolution, not revolution, I would say, which I think is why sometimes it's hard to keep the faith because we don't necessarily have this dramatic aha moment.

But what I will say is, I know your wife, I'd give a speech and that's what I do now for a living.

I give speeches, corporates.

The moment that I realized that I'd been practicing mindfulness was when I was teaching mindfulness to clients.

So I'd love to ask, have you got an example of a setback that you wouldn't mind talking about? Because ultimately we've all had setbacks and I'm keen to just highlight that