Who's, who's somebody who has, who has actually made it in this terrible [laughs], terrible environment?

Mm.

[laughs] Yeah.

Gosh, okay.

Let me...

I'll, I'll just do the one that I was gonna do first.

So because th- this go- this success story touches on some of the topics we already talked about and this DIY approach.

How, how, how did you?