
Sarah Crowder
Theology teacher at Faith Lutheran High School in Las Vegas; PhD student in Reformation History at Concordia Seminary; co-host of "This Is What the Gospel Sounds Like: A Podcast on K-Pop Demon Hunters"
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Jul 24, 2026
Following Great Leaders Without Becoming Them
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Rich LewisHOST
What was your approach coming in as DCS? What was your approach towards earning their trust, not as a colleague or a clinician, but now as their leader? How did you endear them and ultimately get them on your side to put you now squarely on a path to CCO?

Sarah CrowderGUEST
I have really, man, I have learned so much about myself, about the leader I want to be versus the leader that I don't want to be.
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Rich LewisHOST
But how do you keep on the Ascend journey, how do you keep them prioritized on the right things, you know, at this elevation versus this elevation versus this elevation? How have you navigated that with your team?