So I think i- what would be really great for our listeners is for you to go right back to the beginning.

Would love to.

Look, when I look back over my career, it largely was always driven by a want for success in the beginning, and it's certainly success and what that means has largely evolved.

Early on, success meant chasing big job titles, chasing, uh, pay packets, you know, really wanting to climb the corporate ladder, and a lot of that came from probably not wanting to prove something to other people, but prove something to myself.

My school experience and the school system and way of learning, it was never an environment where I felt particularly successful unless I was doing sport.

I wasn't someone who thrived sitting behind a desk.

I didn't thrive by writing an essay and being put under pressure in an exam setting.

Mm.