with that?

Yeah.

Look, so the blanket term manosphere has come to describe there's been some very big, quite extreme personalities in the online world, social media world, and they often talk about women as commodities or belittling women or using them for fun.

So it's quite derogatory towards women.

Women just have to be silent and really pushing back about this notion that rights for women mean men missing out.

And so we've heard a lot about it online.

And the worry is around what it's doing to our young kids, particularly our boys with their algorithms.

This has found an audience because boys and men are a little confused and then they're sort of hooking into this, which is way to the other way, you know, and yeah, and it's leading them in the wrong path.

We need to deal, deal with it."

Yeah.

Look, I think-- Well, I think emotionally even p- I'm feeling emotional.

This, this issue makes me really emotional.

But I'd-- Just imagine, let's take our schools for an example.

Imagine if you walked into a workplace, whether it's a school or anywhere else, um, to do your job, and then next thing you know that your colleagues are yelling at you, making sexual comments towards you, interrupting you, belittling you, telling you to go back to the kitchen, all of that sort of stuff in your workplace.

Now, we wouldn't expect, uh, anybody to put up with that, right? We'd say, "Hey, that's not okay."

I mean, you can look at it, but you know, it, it should be outweighed by us in the real world.

But how's this playing out in the classroom?

Look, one of the things that research is showing us is that our teachers are increasingly exposed and having to navigate it.

Our teachers are the brunt end of it, so they are receiving attacks from boys and teenagers around... you know their appearance and language and a whole pile of inappropriate sexual windows thrown at them as teachers so they're having to deal with it but they're also having to navigate it um how do we help our girls how do we help our boys learn so that they're both at the forefront of teaching and at the forefront of the exposure to that risk and it's a really tough job so research is showing us that this is happening It certainly hit the media yesterday around this impact.

And as a mum of two young boys, this really matters to me.

What is it that you think parents are feeling in this space?

I think, well, I can just talk on my experience.

I'm feeling a little overwhelmed.

Like I've got all the skill sets to be able to equip myself to have these difficult conversations with my boys.

And it was acceptable, whereas now, and I'm not saying that's acceptable that we cause harm, but in some people's brains that has never changed.

Yeah.

Look, we have to be honest, too, that humour has been used as a vehicle for political commentary to raise some of those difficult issues in society that we don't, what do we do with this? How do we talk about? So humour has been used for a long time in very different ways.

And so I think we have to acknowledge that it's been, you know, political cartoons, right? They've been telling political stories since journalism was a thing.

But the tone and feel of it at the moment is, I think, different.

And I think it's different because what it seems to be doing is really fueling division.

It seems to be really playing on people's fears and people's uncertainties in a really disempowering way.

and what is not okay.

So is there any little tools or tricks we can use to sort of get to that space when there's no closure? Yeah.

Yeah, look, firstly, it's really important for all of us when we find ourselves navigating.

It might be a workplace investigation where you come out with a result you wanted but it still feels messy to acknowledge the conflict, right? So don't minimise the experience.

That was shit.

That was terrible.

That was unfair.

And it's okay to name that.

But from your point of view, who's a professional, do you think, yeah, they're generalizing and, you know, everybody's sort of a bit more individual?