Did, did one day you just, like, think, "Right, I'm just gonna reach out to everyone?" Or-

Yeah, it was, it was through conversations I started having with some of the brands that I wanted to work with, and they would say...

I can't remember who suggested I spoke to.

Someone said, "A few ...

Your name came up a few times," and I thought, "I'll just email." The worst thing someone can say is, "I'm sorry, I don't have time." Um, so there were, uh, pretty much everyone I ever asked, um, came back.

You know, I reached out, um, to the Sustainable S- uh, Wellness because they'd just launched a community and app, and they were saying, "Oh, you know, this is X, Y, and Z." And I asked you, and you were like, "Don't look at the figure." Yeah, "Don't, don't look at that bit." I was like, "Okay." And, and I think it- it's just like I didn't know what I was doing, so the best way to find out is to ask people.

So next plans for you then, Sara, what's the next plans going to be?

So I've, I think there's a, as well as the recruitment issue in our industry, I think a lot of it is actually our own self-care.