Mm-hmm.

and then emerging out of that and not knowing what I wanted or who I was and going through a breakup.

And we find, I've noticed over time, people who find their ways to these practices often have, there's some kind of maybe a big life upset, losing a loved one or Or a breakup or, you know, maybe empty nests or, you know, some sort of big these like little pivot or big pivot points that occur in a lifetime.

I'd say my whole life I've been a seeker.

I've been interested in in.

the present moment and, you know, in practices like meditation and yoga and spiritual type things.

But this discovering the practice of circling and authentic relating really, it, you know, it changed everything.

Could you share with the listeners a little bit more about and how you feel community helps us with relating to ourselves, with trusting ourselves, with maybe not feeling so alone and how you and your partner support community, whether it be in person or online.