Yeah

... that we're chasing, and how do we differentiate that type of excellence from extraction, and also to your, your question, how do we make space for the excellence that we wanna have in the workplace without veering into extraction? And so when I look at kind of that gap between excellence, extraction, to me there's a boundary somewhere within there that's being crossed, trampled on, tap danced on.

That to me is the difference [chuckles] between excellence and extraction.

Um, and there's like a personal story that came to mind as I was thinking about this, if it's okay to share.

I remember reporting to someone who was throwing tasks at me left and right like they were collectibles, right? Like there was no, no pause, barely any explanation of what was needed, no consensus on what we were doing or why.

It was just like, "I need you to do this.

I need you to do that," because she was drowning.

Mm-hmm.