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Talk about one of your favorite projects working for Sagmeister & Walsh.

You were hired, obviously, and you worked with them for about three years and worked on some of their most notable projects.

You were also in some of their most notable promotions.

Mm-hmm.

Um, I believe at least one you were maybe partially clad, um, which was hard for me to look at because I know you.

How does emotion point to or become form?