Okay, well, let's broaden that question then, Sandra, and say, is there, generally speaking, a bit of a sort of liberal push towards trying to stop people to smoke all over Australia like there is in this country?

Oh my goodness, yes.

It's nanny state gone crazy here.

It's insane.

I mean, I'm not a smoker and I've never smoked, so I don't have sort of a dog in this fight.

Yes.

But, you know, I do appreciate people like to smoke.

It's happening, isn't it, Sandra? It was already happening.

What I was going to say is, I thought there was a very much heightened level of worry about swimming in the seas around Australia because of the number of shark attacks.

Well, on the north coast of New South Wales, absolutely.

And, in fact, this week they... released into the seas, into the ocean, they're very first, they're known as sophisticated drumlines, which is a drum that's been baited so that the shark will take the bait and once the shark takes the bait, it's got an electronic chip in it.

Fishermen go out, find the shark and then take the shark away to other waters where it's released.

And apparently, if the shark does get released in another area, it doesn't go back to the areas where it had been previously fishing.

Do they take it on board a boat or something and then travel 300 miles and then drop it over the side again?

That's pretty much what they do.

Literally, they relocate it.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he's actually said no more swimming because we've had yet another shark attack since we spoke last.

I'm always on shark attack alert for you fellows.

That's right.

And earlier this week we had another one, a bull shark, not a great white or one of the biggest sharks, but they're quite nasty and vicious.

And this bull shark has attacked a surfer up at Ballina, which is on the north coast, which is where Mick Fanning sort of comes from around that area.

That's sort of Lighthouse Beach, isn't it? Yeah.

yeah, wasn't there a moment of embarrassment or touching, inappropriate touching, I think we call it,

But where are these extreme accents that you're talking about? Are they sort of people who live in the outback and all that kind of stuff?

Well, some of the outback is pretty sharp.

It's got a sharp and sort of strangled tone to it.

Queenslanders will have a totally different accent to what anybody from New South Wales or Adelaide would have.

In fact, Adelaide, which is in South Australia...

they would have to have, I'd say, the most English-sounding accents.

Sometimes you think, oh my gosh, they've literally just got off the boat here.

Is it David Pocock? Is he the pin-up, the blue-eyed boy?

well even though some sharks have actually figured out how to get

past them they sure have and in fact earlier this year new south wales so the state where i live where we we've had 16 shark attacks on our beaches this year alone with one fatality They started tagging great white sharks, so the biggest, the apex predator, at a cost of a quarter of a million dollars.

They tagged eight of the sharks, and guess what they found out?

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some people have said.

Well, look, you know, so far he's been getting an easy run.

Everybody who gets in his job gets a bit of a honeymoon period with the press and with the polls.

Every time there's a change of a prime minister in our country, which has been a lot in the last few years, five in five years, Every time there's a new leader, they get an uptick in popularity.

The clients that you have now, let's say in the last five years, where have you connected with them? Where have those relationships started? How does that generally, you know, workflow, like what is that process like for you?

Yeah, sure.

So I used to, well, I still do.

I just don't have the time right now.

I'm a retreat leader.

So my partner and I, he's a Wim Hof instructor and he does breath work and cold exposure.

So I was leading the mindset portion and we were hosting retreats together, which was really nice.

just those two pieces, why does that feel most important to you at this point of building the reach when it comes to the impact and the mission and then also with the client piece?

Why wouldn't they do that? Well, I mean, it's a bit tasteless, isn't it?

Yeah, it is tasteless.

It's really tasteless.

When you think about it, what the tours have been cancelled, though, in the last three days, Mike, you'll be pleased to know that the outrage was so sort of overwhelming.

They were forced, the touring company that was putting them on has been forced to close it down.

Even the New South Wales Premier has stepped up and said, you know...

It's an absolute disgrace.

I mean, you know, the wounds are still very raw.

Hmm.

So everything has kind of changed, and I'm so proud of being in the forefront of endorsing using grocery store products, ready-made products, because that's how we all create beautiful food for our families and have time to live a great life.

Some of these chefs are really young and bringing in older dishes.

I think the bakers did very well.

I was surprised.

Some of them are quite young.

There was a woman who made one of those pan cheesecakes.

You know those beautiful pan cheesecakes that we all enjoy that honestly, in the middle of the night I would open the fridge and take that out-

What's the biggest challenge in doing that?

There are a lot of challenges.

I think that we as dermatologists are probably some of the best specialists for this because we deal with people who are awake.

You know, we're doing some big, pretty big things to them and managing not only their anxiety and their potential pain, their comfort.

We're there with them.

We can't talk bad about them.

We can't, you know, start telling dirty jokes in front of them or things like that.

What happened to you during the filming of season two?

you know and you know when you talk about the underdog yeah there's something really profound you know energetically like where that like drive or energy comes from um you know i kind of want to know your underdog experiences like as a child or maybe when you said i wasn't a girl's girl before was there something like scarring or wounding that happened to you that drove you

Well, I mean, I think that I've been very lucky in my early life.

I do have my parents who've been very supportive.

And I mean, I lived, I grew up really in a privileged household.

You know, my dad is a doctor and my mom's a nurse.

And my father is a great role model.

He himself was a dermatologist.

And I want to know, like, one of the most biggest shifts you've had, something that's really been, like, a story that has held on to your heart,

I couldn't even pass middle school.

Do not...

If you go into the room with all the cadavers, 'cause you have to go to a table and, like, with ano- a bunch of people and choose a cadaver, do not choose the one that's really overweight, actually.

Because that, you'll have to take a lot of stuff to rem- get to the organs.

But also over time, like, it gets, they, people were slipping on the oil that came from...

I'm sorry.

'Cause there's someone out there that loves this

...

Are there any that stand out in your mind as like the most dramatic thing that you've done? Or is that kind of like every day for you?

Um, there are, there are, for the show, there are definitely cases like that.

And I mean, I think it happens on a, you know, it happens to many of us doctors on a daily basis.

It's just, you don't really think about that.

I mean, if I thought about those things, I mean, I don't think my head would sit through doors, you know, like, you're just doing your job and you're just doing what you love and what you like and and and you enjoy and what you're hopefully good at and i think that you just I feel really lucky to be part of something so positive for other people.

And I don't take that, you know, responsibility lightly.

And I think that there are always unforgettable people.

And that is why you have so many fans.

Right

... picked me up and did a, did, like, a, a reaction video.

And my phone still had notifications on my Instagram anytime somebody, like, followed me.

My phone was flipping out.

Like, I couldn't even get onto my phone because it was just flipping, like, people, like, liking, following, liking, following, and, um, I thought it was crazy.

And I actually went...

It was a blackhead extraction video, and so I went home.

Right.

What advice would you give them about turning what they naturally do well into something meaningful?

Well, I think that you have the best opportunity to make something that you do well meaningful, because that, you know...

You-- obviously, if you do it well, you most likely love to do it, and putting that love in and it is, is really vital to making something that, I mean, it'll always be meaningful to you.

It doesn't necessarily mean that you might get the recognition from all these other people.

But it doesn't matter if you make it meaningful to one person versus 100 people, really, because I think that if you even can, can, can change one person, you've already done something great.

So don't try to feel like you have to, you know, reach a certain number or something to, to really feel like you've made your mark in the world.

I think that every-- I think in many ways, most of us make some mark in the world, certainly, whether you're just-- whether you're a mother, not just a mother.

How connected do you feel that is to the confidence and the healing?

Do you keep records on, like, the farthest distance that you've ever popped a pimple or something? Or something pops? Yeah, and it's just like, oh, wow, that was

like 10 feet.

Uh, well, I haven't really marked with a ruler or a measuring stick, but it's definitely hit the ceiling with a big splat.

It's definitely hit the walls.

Um...

It definitely, when it lands on you, just so that you guys can imagine this really, it feels like acid, but it's not.

You know, because it's warm, usually, because it's coming from your body, right? So it lands on you, and it just feels like it's acid, because you want to get it off of you.

Oh,

And what a gift that is, i- in, in addition to actually removing the, the, the problem, you know? So.

Yeah.

Thank you for seeing that, really.

That, that, that is, like, m- one of my most important things is to make a person feel two things, have hope and feel like they have control over the situation.

Because when they have, like a, whether it be acne, whether it be a wart, whether it might be a giant growth, you feel like your body is not in your con- under your control.

Right, right.

Especially if it's something that you might not be able to handle or...

So I really try to...

us

about that.

Just four months ago? Yeah.

Just four months ago, I was just, I was working.

I was taping the show.

And, you know, it's a stressful, long day.

At the end of the day, I was feeling crabby, as I usually am, because it's a long day.

So what are the signs quickly? There's a mnemonic called B-Fast.