So

to me, I'm thinking, oh, that fear that was also mentioned.

And also, I'm very glad that it was pointed out that our children, they have really had huge impacts.

The realization that I didn't have when I grew up, my friends were my friends.

I never thought of them as potentially sick and making me sick, which came sort of.

very, very much the discourse of that period of time, even of parents instructing children to take distance, you know, the distance between one and the other.

It goes contrary to instincts of children that want to play and have fun.

Yeah.

You tell us what it's been like for you, what your topics of interest are, what you'd like us to know.

Well, first of all, thank you for having me.

And I would like to link right away to your work that I read extensively because it helped me think about what is trauma exactly.

Because although I'm a scientist, I'm an anthropologist, I initiated the anthropology of children and youth, but life got to me.

I even went to Madagascar.

I worked there for a long time in very complicated circumstances.

It's a desert.

So, yes, that's so important.

Utterly fascinating.

Yes.

And I also would like to tell you what I just heard, because I immediately thought about one concept that's very important to them.

It's Vyavanana.

Vyavanana is everybody in the family.

And that is not literally only biological, which to them, biological parenthood is also not an issue, which is also fascinating.

But it is the harmony between the self.

I said,