I

think that, you know, I stepped into this position somewhat like Ron did.

I was chair of the board.

We're not always great at hiring.

Fingers crossed we did it right in a row this time.

But anyway, and so I was asked to come on just in an interim for a year, and that was in 2019.

But some of what happened is then, you know, March of 2020, right? And COVID hit.

you know how many staff that